Thread: Anyone got scammed like this before?

Okay, now i'm going to tell exactly what happened. Talked to a guy that where present on namepros before and helped him send/recieve payments thru my paypal account. Now recently i got a chargeback from a ebay buyer that paid for a item that was never shipped, told the guy i was helping or atleast i thought i where helping him and he said he would fax me the info about the item shipment. Then he told me he had to got to the store for a few moments and *POFF* he is gone, no word since 4 days back now.

Now i got a hold of the ebay buyer and told him that i had already sent the money for the guy i was scammed by to another paypal account or rather that i paid for items i was supposed to do for that guy. Gave him my information and what information i had on the scammer, got a response and he is actually trying to get his money back but he hasn't sent me back my money that i had in paypal that where taken away from my paypal account.

If he does not pay me back, can i do a lawsuit filing or will that be treated as careless behavior? I'm so damn annoyed by this and he realy destroyed my day when i understood i was scammed. I'm -$38.90 right now but i was -$67.43 so i've been trying to earn it back, not that easy as alot of people dont buy links atm but i got some links sold and planning to create a few cool sites to sell for about $50/Site as i think that would get me money faster.

Sorry to hear but technically I think you'd be breaking paypals terms? Not sure but if you were you might not want to fight it to much as you may risk losing your paypal account!

Hope you get your $$$ back in any event

Ohh its really sad to know all that. I personally never had that kind of problem just some scamms during exchanging pp to mb or mb to pp.

I think believing on newbies is like risky .....

In what term would i break paypals terms? Just curious, dont realy understand why

Thanks as well for your nice comment

Simple, paypal is not responsible for you letting someone else use your account, or you using your account for someone else.
It is there somewhere, that paypal does not endorse those who use their accounts to the benefit of others.

In other words, never but never let your paypal account be a conduit for someone else.

I see these scams all the time.
Please, I am not able to get paypal account in my country, or I have been banned by paypal,"can some nice person accept a payment for me?" and so forth.

Lesson learned there Jugger.....your paypal account is yours, and keep it yours.

Originally Posted by JuggernautH

In what term would i break paypals terms? Just curious, dont realy understand why

Thanks as well for your nice comment

With pay pal you never fully know if you're breaking terms, they make them so general that it easily could be stated as such.

I have read others getting their account yanked because of forwarding to other accounts, other methods, etc.

I'm not saying it is breaking the rules, it might not be. Just would hate to see you get burned further

Alrigh ioawadawg that explained everything simple and tidy Hopefully the buyer of the ebay item will have enough humanity to give my money back atleast.

Good luck on the ebay.
It is a given, that if I pay for something and do not get, I will do a chargeback in a flash.
I am leery of buying from anyone on ebay that does not have mucho (at least 500) transactions and a feeback of 99% or better.
The power sellers on ebay are the best to buy from, as they do have a position and rep to uphold at all times.

Yea i am trying to resolve this with the ebay buyer, he dont have any right to keep the money as they where not his nor the scammers money. So hopefully he will be humane enough to give me my money back.

How is this not his money?
He paid for something he did not get.
The fact that he paid you is not his problem.
Since he can not grab his money back from the person who used you and your paypal account, he can grab his money back from the paypal account that his money went to, which seems to be yours.

Well it's not his money, the money that the item was bought with where transfered elsewhere and since that day i earned money thru selling stuff and why the heck wouldn't those money be mine? They are mine and not his, he cant go around stealing my money because he got scammed by another guy thru my paypal account. I know it was stupid to help the guy that showed up to be a scammer but however i dont think it's humane to keep the money in this case for the buyer of the item as this is not his money and i've put hard work into earning them.

You wouldn't say the same thing if you where in my place iowadawg, i am sure you wont be saying things that it would be his money if it where you who got scammed. I can understand that the buyer on ebay is very sad because this happened but that's not a reason to steal someone else's money. Of course you might not even get into situations like this, but everyone manages to do misstakes from time to time.

This thread totally confuzzles me, I'd just like to say that, so I will just observe.

I am lost still.
How can he (the customer) be stealing?
He paid your paypal account and did not get his product.
You were the actual seller in this case by letting your paypal account be used.

I hope to never be in this position you are in! That is the truth.

Now at a certain forum, I get for some damn reason lots of pm's from people who want me to trade egold for paypal, use of my paypal, and so forth.
I ignore those and delete them.
And I noticed on that forum the people always wanting transfers and use of paypal accounts.
Most seem to be honest about it, but some are not as is obvious from the people who post about getting scammed.

I am trustworthy and I only deal with trustworthy people when it comes to MY money.

Originally Posted by JuggernautH

Well it's not his money, the money that the item was bought with where transfered elsewhere and since that day i earned money thru selling stuff and why the heck wouldn't those money be mine? They are mine and not his, he cant go around stealing my money because he got scammed by another guy thru my paypal account. I know it was stupid to help the guy that showed up to be a scammer but however i dont think it's humane to keep the money in this case for the buyer of the item as this is not his money and i've put hard work into earning them.

You wouldn't say the same thing if you where in my place iowadawg, i am sure you wont be saying things that it would be his money if it where you who got scammed. I can understand that the buyer on ebay is very sad because this happened but that's not a reason to steal someone else's money. Of course you might not even get into situations like this, but everyone manages to do misstakes from time to time.

It's simple, Juggernaut. This customer purchased an item and didn't receive it. It is through no fault of his own. It was your decision to help out the guy who scammed you by lending him access to your paypal account.

Put yourself in his shoes. Would you want to buy something at Walmart, never receive the item and then be short on the cash because Walmart decided to give that money to someone else? That's not your problem. Your problem would be that you paid for something that you didn't receive. Period. End of story.
It is the same for that other guy who never got his stuff.

On your side... Why don't you chargeback the amount you sent to the scammer? I see nothing wrong with doing that, since the money you "exchanged" for them has now disappeared and the scammer is non responsive to your e-mails. How did you pay them? Is that money recoverable at all?

I did not actually lend him access to my paypal account, did the transactions for him as i thought i would have better control doing that. Though the customer did not do anything wrong it wouldn't be right taking the money he made a claim for as the money he actually sent was sent to others buying other stuff for the scammer, the money i had in my paypal account was money i had before and earned after he scammed me. As said before none of you would probably disagree with me if you where in the same situation, atleast i dont believe that. I know i did get in this trouble because i was stupid enough to trust someone on the net, however i used to talk to him alot and have done so for the past year so i thought i could trust him somewhat.

However if the ebay user decides to keep the money as he said until he gets the money back from the scammer it is my own fault, not saying anything else than that. But it's not fair and it should be dealt better than that. If i where in the buyers position i would not keep the money or atleast i would send him half of it back as it would be somewhat band-aid for the other scammed party. I didn't say it's his fault either actually, but it's not fair if he keeps my money as it wouldn't realy be his money at all. Though i can understand the frustration for the buyer, been in similar positions where i was a buyer before.

Originally Posted by JuggernautH

I did not actually lend him access to my paypal account, did the transactions for him as i thought i would have better control doing that. Though the customer did not do anything wrong it wouldn't be right taking the money he made a claim for as the money he actually sent was sent to others buying other stuff for the scammer, the money i had in my paypal account was money i had before and earned after he scammed me.

None of that has anything to do with the customer who paid for stuff they didn't receive. Since they didn't receive anything, the money is not yours. It is theirs. It's their money that they took back.

Originally Posted by JuggernautH

As said before none of you would probably disagree with me if you where in the same situation, atleast i dont believe that. I know i did get in this trouble because i was stupid enough to trust someone on the net, however i used to talk to him alot and have done so for the past year so i thought i could trust him somewhat.

Not true. If I were in your shoes, I would bite the bullet and lose the money. It's not nice and it wouldn't feel great. However, it's bad enough that the customer ordered something and paid for it and didn't get it. The situation would be made worse if they couldn't get a refund.
Again, put yourself in their shoes. Would you want to pay for an item and never receive it??? It doesn't matter where the money goes to.
I buy an item. I pay whoever the seller tells me to pay. I want the item. If I don't get the item, I want my money back. I am not interested in the seller's problems. I don't care where my payment went. I don't care if the seller transferred it to someone else, paid the electricity bill with it or spent it all on crack. None of that is any of my business. I don't care where the money went. If I don't receive my item, I want a refund. Period.

Originally Posted by JuggernautH

However if the ebay user decides to keep the money as he said until he gets the money back from the scammer it is my own fault, not saying anything else than that. But it's not fair and it should be dealt better than that.

I totally agree with you that it is not fair what happened. I can sympathize with you and feel bad for you. But, that doesn't make it right to keep the money, knowing that the buyer got nothing for their money and had no wrong doing at all. If you decided to allow access (even through you) to your Paypal account, then it's only fair that you accept responsibility for the transaction if something goes wrong. After all, it's your reputation at stake now.

Originally Posted by JuggernautH

If i where in the buyers position i would not keep the money or atleast i would send him half of it back as it would be somewhat band-aid for the other scammed party. I didn't say it's his fault either actually, but it's not fair if he keeps my money as it wouldn't realy be his money at all. Though i can understand the frustration for the buyer, been in similar positions where i was a buyer before.

Forget about the fact that you were the seller's agent in all this. Really put yourself in the buyer's shoes here.
Can you really tell me that you would send money to someone for something, not get anything for your money, and never expect it back?
If your answer is no, then you already know the right thing to do is return the buyer's money.
If your answer is still yes, then why did you even bother making this thread? Just give the buyer your money and don't expect anything back for it.

Maybe if the buyer is successful in recovering funds from the seller, they will send you some of it. Not likely, since I doubt they will recover anything.

Zap, you're earning those scooby snacks today! mg:

Alright, this will be the end of this discussion on my part You got me with your last post Zap, done some thinking and i somewhat agree with you but i would not do what the buyer is doing here as i believe in karma. Going to code some layouts and sell today Have to as otherwise i will still be minus on my paypal account, got some people wanting layouts so i could easily earn it back now thank god

It sucks, dude. I know. Just try and remember it's not the buyer's fault.

Hehe, yea i know it's not the buyers fault. Haven't said that either, however i might have resolved my no-money-in paypal issue quite good

Originally Posted by iowadawg

Simple, paypal is not responsible for you letting someone else use your account, or you using your account for someone else.

I'm sorry you've had to learn the hard way but never EVER let someone use your paypal account. It just spells trouble.

Originally Posted by JuggernautH

Hehe, yea i know it's not the buyers fault. Haven't said that either, however i might have resolved my no-money-in paypal issue quite good

That's good news and I hope there's still a way you can go after the seller for what they owe you. If you paid them in some form of currency that you have no recourse for, you could always provide details about them and try to shame them into being honest here. It's a long shot, but you never know. At least you'll be warning others about doing any kind of business with them.

Originally Posted by JaneM

I'm sorry you've had to learn the hard way but never EVER let someone use your paypal account. It just spells trouble.

Well he didn't directly use it himself, paid/recieved payments thru my paypal account for him and i where the one sending/recieving payments and he did never have access to my paypal account. However he wanted it but i told him i never give out my password for such things.

At the risk of sounding like I'm beating a dead horse.

Don't ever give or share you paypal information with anyone, treat it just like a bank account.

Chances are if someone doesn't have a Paypal account it's because they were doing something shady in the first place.

Juggernaut, I hope you get your money back. You have to be careful who you deal with. No three way transactions though. You pay me or I pay you. None of this I pay Zap to pay Colleen then she pays you.. Ya know what I mean?

Originally Posted by Big Dan

No three way transactions though. You pay me or I pay you. None of this I pay Zap to pay Colleen then she pays you.. Ya know what I mean?

What I've learned is you should only have three-ways for special occasions. mg::love:

Haha Colleen

If the buyer files an INR (item not received) through paypal - paypal will refund their money from the account the buyer sent the payment to (assuming there is money in the paypal account) and if there's not, any money deposited to your paypal account will be given to the buyer.

IF I buy something, and don;t receive it (and its happened) I don't care what kind of story the paypal account holder gives me, i want my money back.

Give the buyer a refund, and try to get the money back from the person you "helped".

and never do it again!

Yea i am getting there slowly, got the sellers adress and such now. Going to give him a call, talk to his parents to so he realy understands i'm serius in giving him a real lawsuit in case he dont pay me back.

Hahahhahaha...if it was me and you wanted to sue me, I would say, bring it on!
Of course, you would have to come to Iowa and I am sure that would cost you more than the minor fee you lost.

Ah yea Well atleast going to talk to his parents and tell them that he does scam people. Hopefully they will give him some kind of punishment