Thread: Your feelings about PageRank?

PageRank is always a hot topic, I decided to make a subforum dedicated to the very topic, so here we go. 11 Threads moved here.

My opinion on PageRank is it's a bunch of hoopla, has no value except to make money off advertising, because others are convinced it's so amazing.

And that's my thoughts on PageRank.

I'd like to hear your thoughts, not a critique of mine, but please, go ahead, enlighten me.

Well it all depends what pagerank are we talking about..
If its the Toolbar pagerank then, yes its not very important, besides its always good to have a nice pagerank..

But I do care about the pagerank that shows in the Google's Webmaster Central, because that is actually your current pagerank.

Pagerank shows, how good your site is doing with google.
A site with higher pagerank will always ranks well for "Targeted keywords through SEO"..

People often claims that they have seen a site with 0 PR outranks a site with 5-6-7 PR. Thats true in some case but it doesnt mean that the pagerank is not important.
I'd like to make few points.

1. Pagerank is not a FACTOR of SERP, Its an OUTCOME of your link building..

2. Pagerank depends on the Quality of your backlinks, while SERP depends on the Quality of backlink plus Your Anchor text plus many other SEO factors.

3. So if you have a high pagerank, it means you have nice quality backlinks, but if you are not ranking well for targeted keywords then you are missing somewhere in other SEO factors
e.g.- You are targetting keyword - 'Webmaster Forums', but in Anchor text you are using 'Web Talk forums', you will never rank well for your target keyword. no matter how much pagrank you have. In such cases if someone claims that his site with 2 PR is outranking your site with 6 PR for the keyword 'Webmaster forums', hence proving that pagerank is nothing, isnt true.

I've never seen a low PR site outranking a high PR site for a well tragetted keyword.

When I hear and/or read the terms PR Update, my pants tend to get tight :twisted:

What this latest fiasco would or should be called; I leave that up in the air.

I don't care if someone thinks it's tit's on a bull or the greatest thing since sliced bread. The perception is money flows in certain amounts because of it and if you want that money, you play the game.

I don't have time for an opinion, I need that time to collect checks.

So call it what you want and think of it as you will, if it can pay a bill, play it.


But quite frankly, I don't think there is any rhyme or reason to it and everyone that defines it is just silly enough to give me money and that's all that counts.

I have seen crap sites go PR 5 first update and worthy sites get stuck at PR 3 and 4.

PR is also important when it comes time to sell a site or domain.
Of course, it's not the only factor, but it IS a big one.

Originally Posted by anon

When I hear and/or read the terms PR Update, my pants tend to get tight :twisted:

What this latest fiasco would or should be called; I leave that up in the air.

LMAO... lol... funny.

Fiasco is right. I know of at least 2 people who were bragging, rather loudly, that their site was expected to be a PR 4 and 5 in this update. It ended up with 0, and 1 respectively.

My 2 sites are very successful sites, LOADS of visitors, always being spidered, I've been working backlinks like crazy, yet they're still PR 0.

I've decided not to worry about it. They're both making me $, so ppffffftttt...

Yep, I lurk on a lot of forums. The ones with lower PR have traffic and questions are answered and conversations take place.

Conversly, there are high PR sites I visit where they can't even answer the questions that are being asked and conversations die.

If PPC is the only goal, then they would be sucessful, however, I'd rather be like peggy and have low traffic and high productivity. Good for you peggy!

At the end of the day, a professional can make money with a PR 0 site. If they can't, then they aint working.

PPC is a double edge sword, collect pennies to send traffic to someone else. Kinda dumb in the big picture, but I have not abondoned it completely yet myself even.

/end rant

i couldn't care less about pagerank...

but most people makes it as their basis whether or not the site is popular...

I'm with Kalina, page rank is a bunch of BS in my opinion. As I said before it is all psychological. Just away to quantify your websites out billions of others being how humans are we'll pay to be "better" than others.

You have everyone running around buying links on directories and webpages. When there are theories going around that Google discounts directories and forum sig links. But that's the name of the game isn't? Don't only spend money building your website, hosting it, promoting it but buy links that for all accounts are worthless to everyone but GoogleBot. :evil:

It's another one of the Google secrets, we won't tell you how it works but we'll change the rules everyone so often to keep you guessing and our name at the forefront of webmasters' minds.

I'm glad my site got PR2 this update but it wouldn't matter much to me if it didn't. Of course if I was by some miracle get a PR 10 site, I wouldn't stop you from buying links from me. :slaugh:

If it's a personal site, I do not care. I've had discussion boards (A discussion board I should say) that had over 1,500 members on it for a local sporting conference. Nevertheless google rankings sucked. Although, can't say I cared too much about that.

Page Rank?
Too damn many people put too much emphasis on page rank.

I have two word cloud sites where it is FREE to get a keyword.
Be surprised at how many people pm me on other forums plus email me that since they have no page rank, they will not get a keyword.
All I can say to them, if you want to turn down FREE advertising, that is your loss.

Like people who want to exchange links but say that they will only exchange links with sites that have a pr equal or better to their site.

Originally Posted by Kalina

PageRank is always a hot topic, I decided to make a subforum dedicated to the very topic, so here we go. 11 Threads moved here.

Great idea!

for what it's worth, I wrote a multi-domain pagerank checker.

PR used to have a direct coorelation to serps placement, but it seems to have been dampened quite a bit over the last year.

IMO important thing is SERPS if you are selling products from the website. Who cares about the high PR if its not getting you any potential buyer. But if its a blog or some informative web site then I think PR is important to sell links to generate some cash.

Originally Posted by noppid

Yep, I lurk on a lot of forums. The ones with lower PR have traffic and questions are answered and conversations take place.

Conversly, there are high PR sites I visit where they can't even answer the questions that are being asked and conversations die.

If PPC is the only goal, then they would be sucessful, however, I'd rather be like peggy and have low traffic and high productivity. Good for you peggy!

At the end of the day, a professional can make money with a PR 0 site. If they can't, then they aint working.

PPC is a double edge sword, collect pennies to send traffic to someone else. Kinda dumb in the big picture, but I have not abondoned it completely yet myself even.

/end rant

EXACTLY!! Thing is... my designs site has picked up ALOT of traffic, and is being spidered constantly... last night I counted 24 yahoo slurpies, 4 google adsense, 5 googlebots, 7 MSN bots, and 17 "other" spiders.

Yet no page rank? WHO CARES?!?!?!

I personally care little about it. When I want links for clients/friends, I don´t look at PR. I search for niche directories, preferably some old ones, which have been indexed in Google for some time. I also see so many PR3 pages rank high for some very hard terms, and see PR 8 sites which don´t rank for anything.

What's page rank?

whats google?

What's up?

(Don't ask)

PageRank is vanity - Ranking is sanity!

Wow – everyone being so nice and civilized!! Anyways I was reading through most of the comments and there are truths to many of them just like some of them are goat poop.

I’ll try to make this simple.

During my travels I have observed the following:

1. People are making tons of money selling links based on PR.
2. I have seen low PR sites out rank high PR sites in serps for a targeted niche and targeted keyword
3. I have seen high PR sites with NO inbound keyword anchors and little or no onsite keyword optimization outrank low PR sites that have highly optimized pages and massive amounts of targeted /relevant inbound links for a specific keyword.
4. Many many other anomalies …

Here's what I have to say about pagerank:

Definition: Pagerank – Google’s measure of the importance of a specific page. (operative word being Google’s)

The initial concept around pagerank WAS good. However, the pagerank system/algos in their current condition are useless. Why you ask? Simple, it is a completely FLAWED system – note how I said system and not concept. This is why:

1. People know how to game the system
2. It is super easy to get a high PR 5/6/7 and people are doing it, getting sites up and selling them as high PR sites when the truth of the matter is that as soon as the transaction goes down they are removing all their high PR links.
3. Google’s system, for the most part, is unable to differentiate between sites that are gaming it and those which are not
4. Google system is unable to identify authorative sites!! Ie; an MFA site with PR7 for leather jackets and then there is a Leather industry governing body site with PR2. EDUs and GOVs authorative? Ha! Wikipedia authorative? Ha! Okay well maybe for SOCIAL MEDIA but not leather or half the fricken keywords in this planet!!!!

So for now I have to say that PR is a load of goat shit! The day Google figures out how to properly assign and report page importance is the day I will support it.

my 2 cents!

PageRank - like, whatever.....

For people who think high pagerank will increase your position in the serps, download SEO for Firefox and do a search for butt hole surfers

Originally Posted by Danny Boy

(Don't ask)

You sharing your personal library Danny. Did you learn "Whats goin on down there now?" mg:

Originally Posted by Richie_Ni

PageRank is vanity - Ranking is sanity!

haha can I use that line in my signature?

OK so who has prove that links from high PR sites help the most?

Originally Posted by Mike Dammann

OK so who has prove that links from high PR sites help the most?

High PR if the site is 'old' and 'trusted' I would be willing to ummm bet my rep on.
One site I have is old, not super high PR but usually pretty damn trusted by google. I have linked to new sites with anchor text to it from that site, no other real back links and came up on google's first page in a matter of days before. Not on nothing terms either, terms that were somewhat competitive.

Originally Posted by kdemonte

You sharing your personal library Danny. Did you learn "Whats goin on down there now?" mg:

hehe, Google image search used to have a neat image that popped up for "what's down", it's gone that's what came up in it's place. :sshocked:

Originally Posted by Mike Dammann

whats google?

I think I have heard that term before. Hmm......

Originally Posted by grim

High PR if the site is 'old' and 'trusted' I would be willing to ummm bet my rep on.
One site I have is old, not super high PR but usually pretty damn trusted by google. I have linked to new sites with anchor text to it from that site, no other real back links and came up on google's first page in a matter of days before. Not on nothing terms either, terms that were somewhat competitive.

LInks from old sites are definitely better than links from new sites!

Originally Posted by Mike Dammann

LInks from old sites are definitely better than links from new sites!

I have made this observation also! Regardless of PR!

Originally Posted by LaCabra

I have made this observation also! Regardless of PR!

Exactly, for one of my niche sites, I have found a couple of niche directories which have been online since 1999. The pages are PR3, but when I search for link domain, they show up first.

Originally Posted by grim

High PR if the site is 'old' and 'trusted' I would be willing to ummm bet my rep on.
One site I have is old, not super high PR but usually pretty damn trusted by google. I have linked to new sites with anchor text to it from that site, no other real back links and came up on google's first page in a matter of days before. Not on nothing terms either, terms that were somewhat competitive.

How many IBLs does your old site have?

Originally Posted by LaCabra

How many IBLs does your old site have?

No idea to tell you the truth

I have one site, that has been ranked fairly high for many KWs since 1999. If I want that site to rank for any particular KWs - i place the KW in the title and in the text and within a few days ... pooof ... top of the serps!!!

That site in particular is an aged domain, has a few IBLs (50 or so) BUT has no OBLs and is currently sitting with a measely PR3. Interesting hey?

Very similiar to my situation, but a bit more backlinks and pr5
Active since 99 though the domain.
According to seochat's tool

Google 458
Yahoo 7,384
MSN 3333

Originally Posted by grim

High PR if the site is 'old' and 'trusted' I would be willing to ummm bet my rep on.
One site I have is old, not super high PR but usually pretty damn trusted by google. I have linked to new sites with anchor text to it from that site, no other real back links and came up on google's first page in a matter of days before. Not on nothing terms either, terms that were somewhat competitive.

I have a similar site.

If I have a brand new site, I'll link to it from the old one.
Sandbox??? What sandbox? :twisted:

Originally Posted by Zap

Sandbox??? What sandbox? :twisted:

Google Sandbox-

MSN sandbox -

hehe I will definitely play in the first one

pr seems relevant IF you are trying to sell links, however... that seems about it.

one of my sites, had PR0 on all but 4 DC's. As of the latest update/export it is a PR4 - my SE rankings have not changed. Although that's a good test, perhaps i'll post back here in 3 months when I'm ranking #1 for all search terms, telling all and sundry of the marvelous, wonderful, magical PR!!

<conspiracy 101>although this could all mean that there are bigger grand-daddy DC's that store the real information, that we minions know nothing about?...</delusions>