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    Ex-Iraq forces commander rips U.S. leadership - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com

    I love how the die hards still spin it, good thing the X commanders speak out once they are no longer involved and tell it how it really is/was.

    ARLINGTON, Va. - A "failure of the national political leadership" is responsible for the “nightmare” of the Iraq war, retired Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez said Friday.

    If some of America’s political leaders were in the military they would have been relieved or court-martialed long ago, Sanchez told a conference of military journalists.

    "Neglect and incompetence" by the National Security Council has led to an intractable situation in Iraq, the former commander of coalition forces in Iraq said.

    Sanchez said that the NSC, Congress, the State Department and the national political leadership are all responsible for the "crisis in leadership." He refused to identify specific individuals responsible for the failure, saying that he thought the media should be able to figure it out for themselves.

    His comments appeared to be a broad indictment of White House policies and a lack of leadership in the Pentagon to oppose them. Such assessments — even by former Pentagon brass — are not new, but they have added resonance as debates over war strategy dominate the presidential campaign.

    Sanchez said the war in Iraq is "a nightmare with no end in sight," adding America has no choice but to continue fighting or the country will sink into chaos, which will spread throughout the Middle East. America will be there "for the foreseeable future," he said.

    ‘A desperate attempt’
    The so-called surge of troops in Iraq is "a desperate attempt by the administration," and the best the U.S. can do at this point is to "stave off defeat," Sanchez said.

    Asked when he realized the war was on the skids, Sanchez said, "15 June 2003" — the day he took over as commander of coalition forces.

    The officers and military leadership involved in the planning for the war in Iraq suffered from "an absolute lack of moral courage to stand up and do what was right in terms of planning," Sanchez said. "We allowed ourselves to believe we would be greeted as liberators," he said.

    Sanchez said that the decision to disband the Iraqi army disenfranchised 300,000 to 400,000 Iraqis and put them out on the streets, fueling the insurgency.

    Asked whether he had an obligation as commander to speak up if he saw problems in the strategy for the war he said, "Of course."

    Sanchez was caught up in the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal, and although he was cleared of any involvement, the scandal cost him a fourth star and he was forced to retire.

    Asked whether he is happy with the investigation and prosecutions in the case, Sanchez answered sarcastically, "Is America happy with destroying the careers and the reputations of everyone in the military chain of command involved in Abu Ghraib?"

    Sanchez also railed on the media during his speech, saying that many people covering the war have political agendas and little concern about collateral damage when their stories are wrong. These members of the media are doing "a tremendous disservice to America," he said.


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    INteresting.
    Especially the last parts about the Abu G mess and the media.

    But look at our past wars, starting really with the civil war.
    Politics got into the way.

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    Politics always get in the way, the Iraq war is a bit different beast though.

    All the experts said what would happen, and what happened is what they said

    A total mess, no WMD's, civil war, and the list goes on.

    Now with Turkey threatening to go into the North things can really get messy.

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    And of course, our forces are hamstrung when it comes to protecting itself.
    Heaven forbid a soldier or soldiers lob a grenade or shoot off a round and wound or kill an innocent.

    Yeah, Turkey is getting bolder day by day now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iowadawg View Post
    And of course, our forces are hamstrung when it comes to protecting itself.
    Heaven forbid a soldier or soldiers lob a grenade or shoot off a round and wound or kill an innocent.


    Yeah, Turkey is getting bolder day by day now.
    Yes they are, but if we kill more then we already do how does that make us any better than Saddam?
    In any case it's a mess

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    FUBAR and then some by the sounds of it

    I find it disheartening that they aren't further down the road by now
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    What road would that be?

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    Iraq was beyond being a mistake from the get-go.. we had no business going in and no business staying.. whatever happened to that guy that started all this hub bub about terrorism anyway? Uhm, what was his name again? oh yeah.. bin Laden! If we'd spent a tenth as much time, money, and energy finding him as we did invading Iraq, oh wait.. this is really about oil, isn't it? It's really about government contracts, right? It's really about maximizing a war-time economy, huh? Uh-huh.. thought so!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grim View Post
    What road would that be?
    like closer to handing everything off to their govt....not mired in a sea of death like they are now!
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    The problem giving power to the so call Iraqi government and I use the term Iraqi government loosely is the very real possibility of a full scale civil war. Things can get much, much worse than what is going on now.

    The pro warrers will trump the surge, trump victories but fail to bring up civil war, turkey and the kurds in the north. Many things that are much, much more dangerous than the minor amount of terrorists our war brought into Iraq.

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